tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8005490685220949062.post1836201859450228041..comments2023-10-18T10:32:30.713-05:00Comments on American Testament: The Book of Mormon: A Response to Matt Slick or Steve Smoot's Excellent Adventure in Anti-Mormon Zombie Hell (Pt. 1)AmericanTestament.comhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04127465919258708936noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8005490685220949062.post-75329410044345141612009-01-01T17:58:00.000-06:002009-01-01T17:58:00.000-06:00Mormons DO worship a different Jesus according to ...Mormons DO worship a different Jesus according to Bruce R. McConkie in a 1984 conference talk. Don't quote me but I believe Gordon B. Hinkley said the same thing. If your own adherents admit it I don't know why it would be controversial for me to say it.<BR/><BR/>James in error? I am an inerrantist so no, I do not think he was in error. As a Mormon, though, you apparently think he may have been in error. But I don't see what those passages have to do with anything at hand.<BR/><BR/>I don't understand your next paragraph but I think what you are saying is that it is alright to be a polytheist today because many Jews were in the past. But the Jews were severely judged for their polytheist ways-in the Babylonian captivity, for example-thus illustrating God's disapproval of it. Not sure what modalism has to do with anything either.<BR/><BR/>Sucessfully dealt with? I have not seen it at FAIR or here or anywhere else. Why don't we focus in on a single specific example? Mormons claim to be biblical Christians and polytheists. The Bible has condemned polytheism. This is a contradiction. Your response to this allegation?evangelicalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15601612681687950025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8005490685220949062.post-68086661590918003962008-12-20T22:32:00.000-06:002008-12-20T22:32:00.000-06:00Evangelical:I find that many of your arguments and...Evangelical:<BR/><BR/>I find that many of your arguments and comments are identical to Slick's claims. You are simply rehashing old arguments like Mormons worship a "different Jesus" etc. <BR/><BR/>For example, do you think that James was in error when he told us to ask of God when we lacked wisdom? Or what about the disciples, whose "heart burned within us" when Jesus told them the Gospel?<BR/><BR/>Furthermore, both Brant Gardner and David Paulsen have shown not only that the Nephite understanding of the nature of God is consistent with ancient pre-exilic Israelite belief but anything but modalism, which Slick and others also claim.<BR/><BR/>All in all, I find your arguments weak and ineffective, since they have been properly dealt with by many LDS scholars and apologists.Steve Smoothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00785226026604586090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8005490685220949062.post-63083189484123375582008-12-18T20:14:00.000-06:002008-12-18T20:14:00.000-06:00A good case can be made for Slick's first claim he...A good case can be made for Slick's first claim here. For example, there is a verse in the Book of Mormon which says-I do not recall the exact reference, off the top of my head-something like, "the Father, the Son, and the Spirit are one God." If taken at face value, this certainly contradicts current Mormon theology while being in line with all of Christendom from New Testament times onward. Other examples could be given as well, I think. Why should we ignore the "plain and precious" interpretation of the Book of Mormon to twist it into saying what we want it to?<BR/><BR/>Next, it is undeniable that Mormons define certain terms differently from Evangelicals. Evangelical apologists like Slick and Tanner are giving the standard meaning of the terms, by almost everybody, and clarifies where the LDS understanding goes away from the traditional meanings. This is because non-Mormons are continually mislead (perhaps unintentionally on the part of LDS) by what Mormons say. Why be upset with clarification?<BR/><BR/>As for Slick's next comment, that one does not normally pray about truth, is perfectly true. I have never gotten a good response to this question (from you or Rob or anyone else). I do not think I ever shall.<BR/><BR/>Then, Mormons are most certainly NOT Christians. One is a Christian if and only if they follow Christ. Mormons, in contrast, follow "a different Jesus". We know this, for example, because the biblical Christ was God from all eternity but Smith has refuted that idea.<BR/><BR/>The Mormon theology Slick was presenting was, presumably, the uniquely Mormon doctrines (or Mormon heresy). As I have said myself, elsewhere, the Book of Mormon is relatively tame when it comes to heresy. It is almost totally orthodox.<BR/><BR/>In sum, all of Slick's criticisms, as presented in your part 1, stand firm.evangelicalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15601612681687950025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8005490685220949062.post-39999082716681513362008-10-16T18:09:00.000-05:002008-10-16T18:09:00.000-05:00This is an awesome series of posts Steve. I am lin...This is an awesome series of posts Steve. I am linking to all 4 parts in the series in a post on my blog!<BR/><BR/>JamesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8005490685220949062.post-67354555541698645862008-09-18T08:51:00.000-05:002008-09-18T08:51:00.000-05:00Bro. Boylan, great PDF! Thanks for sharing.Mose, t...Bro. Boylan, great PDF! Thanks for sharing.<BR/><BR/>Mose, take heart. You are not alone. Many people who join the church are in the same predicament. Just remember that we are here for you and God will uphold you in your righteous desires to bring your family to a better understanding of the restored Gospel.AmericanTestament.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04127465919258708936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8005490685220949062.post-35496861207895864062008-09-18T03:54:00.001-05:002008-09-18T03:54:00.001-05:00^.pdf; for some reason, the end of the URl comes o...^.pdf; for some reason, the end of the URl comes out as "p," both times I tried putting it here. Meh . . .Robert Boylanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01252989841442658670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8005490685220949062.post-14924650322295503252008-09-18T03:54:00.000-05:002008-09-18T03:54:00.000-05:00The URL is as follows-- http://uk.geocities.com/ir...The URL is as follows-- http://uk.geocities.com/irishlds87/burning_in_bosom.pdfRobert Boylanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01252989841442658670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8005490685220949062.post-50685171920090376412008-09-18T03:53:00.000-05:002008-09-18T03:53:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Robert Boylanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01252989841442658670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8005490685220949062.post-74229564361415576872008-09-18T03:38:00.000-05:002008-09-18T03:38:00.000-05:00The Web Link to my page refuting Cork FPC doesn't ...The Web Link to my page refuting Cork FPC doesn't seem accessible (at least on IE). Just thought I would mention that.Robert Boylanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01252989841442658670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8005490685220949062.post-37243242623836019942008-09-13T20:39:00.000-05:002008-09-13T20:39:00.000-05:00Hey mose!Thanks for sharing. Isn't the CARM stuff ...Hey mose!<BR/><BR/>Thanks for sharing. Isn't the CARM stuff rather, well, lame? I certainly think it is. However, a lot of people buy into it, which is unfortunate. This is why I am doing this new series against Slick, to show that there is an answer out there.<BR/><BR/>If you have any questions, I would love to chat! Or send your mom to the blog and she can check out this new material I am doing on CARM.<BR/><BR/>Best,<BR/><BR/>Steve SmootSteve Smoothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00785226026604586090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8005490685220949062.post-21204037858076665032008-09-13T18:15:00.000-05:002008-09-13T18:15:00.000-05:00My mom printed me off probably 20 pages from the C...My mom printed me off probably 20 pages from the CARM site just a few days ago. I read and annotated the first 3 pages with evidence against Matt Slick's "proof."<BR/><BR/>I asked her if she assumed I was stupid and would eat up the anti-Mormon propaganda...because she hadn't even read it herself. Then she cried...so I guess I lose either way.Mosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00772722541755711456noreply@blogger.com